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SaladFork · Aug 26, 2006, 05:27 AM // 05:27

Drops have to be predetermined, or else it could be EASILY abused. Fill up your inventory completely except for a pile of Jade/Amber. Expert salvage the Jade/Amber weapon (or something along that idea) over and over (getting "Your inventory is full") message, until it finally hits the magical Jade/Amber/Whatever salvage, and gives it to you.

Think about it.

~Salad

Monk Mystic · Aug 26, 2006, 05:34 AM // 05:34

im still wondering about the memory requirement neccesary to keep track of EVERY item in the game that is salvagable. that would be insane but i do understand your point. not sure how it works.I'd actually be very interested to find out.damn GMs and there no talking about game mechanics policy

Deacon Roswell · Aug 26, 2006, 05:37 AM // 05:37

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Originally Posted by Monk Mystic

lol they fixed that a while ago. now as long as your weapon is gold it will always salvage some mod(granted there has to be a mod present of course)

Please don't post false information. If you think this was fixed, you're sorely mistaken. I continually get screwed when salvaging gold items. I still get crafting material. I've lost several +30 HP mods on sword and axes and ended up with wood or iron. I believe the fix your are referring to said they increased the chance of getting a mod, but it is NOT guranteed.

SaladFork · Aug 26, 2006, 05:39 AM // 05:39

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Originally Posted by Monk Mystic

im still wondering about the memory requirement neccesary to keep track of EVERY item in the game that is salvagable. that would be insane but i do understand your point. not sure how it works.I'd actually be very interested to find out.damn GMs and there no talking about game mechanics policy

What is there to wonder about? Somewhere in the depths of GW servers, there are character databases and item databases. Part of the character databases hold information for the items you have. It then looks up the corresponding item in the item databases. In that database, it finds information like upgrades it has, modifiers it has, etc. One can only assume another thing stored in that database is what the item salvages into. That information is then called when you try salvaging that item.

~Salad

Hand of Ruin · Aug 26, 2006, 07:14 AM // 07:14

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Originally Posted by Monk Mystic

lol they fixed that a while ago. now as long as your weapon is gold it will always salvage some mod(granted there has to be a mod present of course)

*edit*
but yeah i did REALLY hate when that happened. happened to me like frieking 20 times lol im so glad they changed it

Actually, you're full of s@#t. It is very possible to expert salvage a gold and only get common crafting materials.

Sofonisba · Aug 26, 2006, 02:14 PM // 14:14

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Originally Posted by SaladFork

Drops have to be predetermined, or else it could be EASILY abused. Fill up your inventory completely except for a pile of Jade/Amber. Expert salvage the Jade/Amber weapon (or something along that idea) over and over (getting "Your inventory is full") message, until it finally hits the magical Jade/Amber/Whatever salvage, and gives it to you.

Think about it.

~Salad

That is a good point.

But, what about when the same thing happened to me with Soul Stones? (Yes, I know I should sell, then salvage from now on lol!) These we absolutely know salvage into either Granite Slabs or Lumps of Charcoal.

Full inventory, existant pile of granite, Inventory Full, Granite Slab, Granite Slab, THEN a Lump of Charcoal.

majoho · Aug 26, 2006, 02:23 PM // 14:23

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Originally Posted by Monk Mystic

lol they fixed that a while ago. now as long as your weapon is gold it will always salvage some mod(granted there has to be a mod present of course)

*edit*
but yeah i did REALLY hate when that happened. happened to me like frieking 20 times lol im so glad they changed it

It's not *fixed* as other people said you can still end up with iron ignots from your gold weapon.

I WISH it was like that though.

Monk Mystic · Aug 26, 2006, 08:44 PM // 20:44

damn flamers. first of all im pretty sure if you go through and look through all the updates im pretty sure youll find it.(sorry not enough of a loser to do it myself).second i havent gotten common materials in like 3 months maybe your just being punished by A-net for being such a damn prick.

**cosyfiep** · Aug 26, 2006, 08:52 PM // 20:52

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Originally Posted by Sofonisba

That is a good point.

But, what about when the same thing happened to me with Soul Stones? (Yes, I know I should sell, then salvage from now on lol!) These we absolutely know salvage into either Granite Slabs or Lumps of Charcoal.

Full inventory, existant pile of granite, Inventory Full, Granite Slab, Granite Slab, THEN a Lump of Charcoal.

pretend its a random number generator involved.....you hit the salvage key...it generates a number....for our purposes lets use 1-100...if the number generated is between say 90-100 you will get charcoal, otherwise granite.....I think most of the items that have rare salvage have the same kind of thing....salvage an iron weapon and say 60% of the time you get iron, the other 40% steel...soul stones could be 70/30 who knows???

and the gold items.....mmmmmmmm, thats still a mystery, some people always get the mods while others of us usually get the crafting crapp.

Sofonisba · Aug 26, 2006, 09:36 PM // 21:36

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Originally Posted by cosyfiep

pretend its a random number generator involved.....you hit the salvage key...it generates a number....for our purposes lets use 1-100...if the number generated is between say 90-100 you will get charcoal, otherwise granite.....I think most of the items that have rare salvage have the same kind of thing....salvage an iron weapon and say 60% of the time you get iron, the other 40% steel...soul stones could be 70/30 who knows???

and the gold items.....mmmmmmmm, thats still a mystery, some people always get the mods while others of us usually get the crafting crapp.

Yes, I understand about random number generation.

Earlier I had posted that when I was salvaging something, full inventory but an existant pile of what I thought the item should go into, I was ridiculed. The person said "don't you know that even if you have full inventory the salvage comes out the same? LOL @ you noob" (not exact words).

Which it clearly does not, as illustrated by at least the Soul Stone example (if not the dust example).

My argument was, the random number (or whatever) is generated at the moment of salvage, not at the moment of drop.

Therefore, with an otherwise full inventory, you could potentially miss out on a Lump of Charcoal if you only have a pile of Granite... and according to legend--simply because I do not know anyone who has indeed salvaged an ecto from residue--an ecto if you only have a pile of dust.

foo · Aug 26, 2006, 10:15 PM // 22:15

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Originally Posted by Sofonisba

But I actually have evidence, though it may not be proof. Those Demonic/Phantom things were trying to salvage into something other than dust at first; that's all I was trying to say.

And, like I previously posted, my nightmares tell me it was ecto, but only 'cause of my kinda luck.

people were using that trick to open only the gold-contaning dragon presents, so anet changed the mechanics, so that it would first check for room, and only then check what the item is salvaged into. I would belive that those remains are defined, like everything else, to have X% to salvage into common, and Y% into rare. it will check for the space even if you got a half stack of common, and Y=0.

Enchanted Warrior · Aug 26, 2006, 10:33 PM // 22:33

"Rumor has it there are even some unscrupulous people that will sell you faction" Ya gotta love the unfounded rumors printed in the game and guides.. :P

robminotaur · Aug 27, 2006, 01:30 PM // 13:30

lol i thought you onley could find golbs of ectoplasma in drops?^_-

Loviatar · Aug 27, 2006, 04:08 PM // 16:08

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Originally Posted by robminotaur

lol i thought you onley could find golbs of ectoplasma in drops?^_-

brilliant sherlock

Sereng Amaranth · Aug 27, 2006, 04:56 PM // 16:56

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Originally Posted by Enchanted Warrior

"Rumor has it there are even some unscrupulous people that will sell you faction" Ya gotta love the unfounded rumors printed in the game and guides.. :P

Flame of Balthazar.

Aug 26, 2006, 05:27 AM // 05:27	#21
SaladFork Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Eastern USA Guild: The Eternal Vanguard of Tyria [VNGD]	Drops have to be predetermined, or else it could be EASILY abused. Fill up your inventory completely except for a pile of Jade/Amber. Expert salvage the Jade/Amber weapon (or something along that idea) over and over (getting "Your inventory is full") message, until it finally hits the magical Jade/Amber/Whatever salvage, and gives it to you. Think about it. ~Salad

Aug 26, 2006, 05:34 AM // 05:34	#22
Monk Mystic Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2006 Guild: The Ka-Tet of Gilead Profession: Mo/W	im still wondering about the memory requirement neccesary to keep track of EVERY item in the game that is salvagable. that would be insane but i do understand your point. not sure how it works.I'd actually be very interested to find out.damn GMs and there no talking about game mechanics policy

Aug 26, 2006, 08:44 PM // 20:44	#28
Monk Mystic Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2006 Guild: The Ka-Tet of Gilead Profession: Mo/W	damn flamers. first of all im pretty sure if you go through and look through all the updates im pretty sure youll find it.(sorry not enough of a loser to do it myself).second i havent gotten common materials in like 3 months maybe your just being punished by A-net for being such a damn prick.

Aug 26, 2006, 10:33 PM // 22:33	#32
Enchanted Warrior Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jul 2006 Profession: W/Mo	"Rumor has it there are even some unscrupulous people that will sell you faction" Ya gotta love the unfounded rumors printed in the game and guides.. :P

Aug 27, 2006, 01:30 PM // 13:30	#33
robminotaur Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Aug 2006	lol i thought you onley could find golbs of ectoplasma in drops?^_-